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Peg Weighting - When to Use the Inside or Outside Peg.

 
ducati800ss ducati800ss
User | Posts: 73 | Joined: 10/09
Posted: 08/09/10
04:02 AM

I know peg weighting has been discussed in various forums including this one,
but I just cannot find what is considered to be the "right way" to do it.

I find that which peg I weight depends on the situation.

When I take larger radius turns I weight the outside peg to help
keep the bike more erect in the corner, but as the corner radius decreases
there comes a point at which it becomes very difficult if not impossible
to weight the outside peg due to the lean angle. When I get to this point I then weight the inside peg to help move it around the corner. As the corner opens up I  pull on the inside bar and then re-weight the outside peg to help stand the bike up.

I also weight the outside peg when I prepare to enter a corner, this helps me
to move my body to the inside of the bike more as I get ready to turn, if the corner is tight I will then weight the inside peg to help the bike to move tighter through the turn (especially in a hair pin).

What sequence of peg weighting works best for you?  
Ride Proud, Ride Safe, Have Fun.

 
Trevitt Trevitt
Administrator | Posts: 295 | Joined: 11/99
Posted: 08/10/10
02:48 PM

This may help:
http://www.sportrider.com/riding_tips/146_0910_performance_riding_using_lower_body/index.html
Generally, pushing on the inside peg will help the bike turn into the corner. Pushing on the outside peg will help in mid-turn and for exiting the turn. As well, you can use your outside foot/leg/knee against the side of the bike to help turn as well. Experiment with pushing on different things to find what's best.

I would suspect your relative speed in the open or tighter corners is what's making a difference. You may be going too fast for one and/or not fast enough for the radius and lean angle you're trying to hold in the other. Is this street or track?

AT  

 
xbacksideslider xbacksideslider
User | Posts: 163 | Joined: 08/09
Posted: 08/10/10
04:52 PM

Well stated Ducati 800SS.  I would add that it is important to use the balls of your feet and to be in an athletic crouch with most of your weight shifting on the pegs.  

A downside, in my opinion, is loss of the subtle benefits of the rear brake.  I like to drag the rear brake to keep the top run of the chain taught on entries and on through to the exit; doing so eliminates snatch when I chop the throttle and when I roll the throttle back on.  Some hold the throttle open against trailing front brake as another way to keep the top chain run tight.  I use the rear brake instead - simpler than trying to manipulate throttle and front brake simultaneously.  I also use the rear brake to smooth/stabilize acceleration on exits.  Lastly, I think, perhaps I imagine, an attenuation of deficiencies in the suspension's control of the rear wheel through use of the rear brake, particularly on entries.  

The best of both worlds, peg steering and rear brake use, would be Mick Doohan's left hand rear brake set up.  I'd like to try that.

Edit - I should clarify - in the conflict between the respective benefits of weighting the right peg versus using the rear brake, for me, the peg usually wins and my right hand has to simultaneously throttle and brake to hold the top run of that chain tight.  

 
ducati800ss ducati800ss
User | Posts: 73 | Joined: 10/09
Posted: 08/10/10
06:48 PM

Trevitt,

Thanks for the feedback and the link.

I find that when street riding I weight the outside peg more when I am in a corner because the turns have a larger radius and the speeds are slower.

On the track I weight the outside peg until the lean angle is too extreme to do so, then I weight the inside peg to help the bike move around the corner. I weight the inside peg while going fast around a corner or in the hairpins.

This works well for me and I am comfortable doing it this way.

I am sure there are others who weight their pegs differently when cornering but this seems to work for me, if there is a more effective way, I would like to know about it.

The Sportrider article on using the lower body was good, especially when it referred to weighting the inside peg to move from side to side, there are not a lot of chicanes on the street, but knowing how to do so would help one get out of a sticky situation if needed while street riding.

The article also referred to correct riding posture that can only be mastered once the abdominal and back muscles are conditioned. I see many sport bike riders who do not have a proper riding position and are just asking for trouble should a situation arise where they need to control the bike quickly without warning. I see too many aggressive riders who do not know how to shift their weight properly and weight the handle bars with their arms. When I follow them they blast down the straight aways and then limp around the corners often at an extreme lean angle.  
Ride Proud, Ride Safe, Have Fun.

 
ducati800ss ducati800ss
User | Posts: 73 | Joined: 10/09
Posted: 08/10/10
07:05 PM

xbacksideslider,

I am comfortable trail braking with my front brake and have only recently
started to trail brake using the rear. I find that when I trail brake using the
back brake it works best at maintenance throttle or while slightly rolling on the
throttle. I am concerned that if I use the back brake while rolling off the throttle at a high speed it will start to lock up the rear tire.

As my skill improves I would like to be able to recognize what braking technique to use for each situation to ensure that the bike remains as stable as possible.  
Ride Proud, Ride Safe, Have Fun.

 
MotoMarc1 MotoMarc1
User | Posts: 128 | Joined: 12/09
Posted: 12/21/10
08:31 PM

Also like peg weighting combined with pressing with opposite knee into the tank to help the bike turn. But also like weight shifting prior to making turns during wet weather riding to help reduce bike leaning. This helps you keep the bike more straight up to help with turns during times of limited traction.  What amazes me at times is when you see WSB or MotoGP races in the rain and the amount of traction and lean angles these guys can carry.  

 
kento1 kento1
Administrator | Posts: 915 | Joined: 09/07
Posted: 12/21/10
10:39 PM

What amazes me at times is when you see WSB or MotoGP races in the rain and the amount of traction and lean angles these guys can carry.

The special cut/compound rain tires that the WSBK and MotoGP racers use are a far cry from any street tire, and pavement on most of the racing circuits they use is actually quite grippy in the wet...unlike well-worn, oily, dirty, painted line-d street pavement.  

 

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