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Trevitt Trevitt
Enthusiast | Posts: 250 | Joined: 11/99
Posted: 08/15/05
07:25 PM

On our old forum, Chris Sedition wrote an open letter to new riders, which covered a lot of the common questions that people ask. We've been getting a lot of posts with exactly the questions Chris wrote about, so I copied his letter here. Have a read, and if it answers your questions, great. If not, post up and we'll all help out as best we can. Many thanks to Chris for going to the trouble to write it.

One of the most common questions new sport bike riders have is, “What kind of sport bike should I get?” This question is asked so often that I have created a standardized response to it. Please keep in mind that these are the views and opinions of one person (albeit countless other also hold them) With that said, on we go…

Getting ANY modern 600cc supersport bike for a first ride is a bad idea (far, far, far worse is a 1000cc bike for a first ride.) In fact, it may be nothing more than an expensive form of suicide. Here are a few reasons why.

1. Knowledge of Subject Matter: When anyone starts something new they find themselves at the most basic point of the “beginner’s mind”. This is to say that they are at the very start of the learning curve. They are not even aware of what it is that they don't know. A personal example of this is when I began Shotokan Karate. The first day of class I had no idea what an “inside-block” was, let alone how to do it with correct form, power, and consistency. After some time, and a lot of practice, I could only then realize how bad my form really was. Then, and only then, was I able to begin the process of improving it. I had to become knowledgeable that inside-blocks even existed before I was aware that I couldn’t do them correctly. It takes knowledge OF something in order to understand how that something works, functions, performs, etc. Now lets return to the world of motorcycles. A beginner has NO motorcycle experience. They are not even aware of the power, mistakes, handling, shifting, turning dynamics etc. of any bike, let alone a high performance sport bike. Not only do they lack the SKILL of how to ride a motorcycle, they also lack the knowledge of WHAT skills they need to learn. Acquiring those skills comes only with experience and learning from your mistakes. As one moves through the learning curve they begin to amass new information…they also make mistakes. A ton of them.

2. The Learning Curve: While learning to do something, you make mistakes. Without mistakes the learning process is impossible. A mistake on a sport bike can be fatal. The things new riders need to learn above all is smooth throttle control, proper speed, and how to lean going into turns. A 600cc supersport bike can reach 60mph in about 3 to 5 seconds. A simple beginners mishap with that much power and torque can cost you your life (or a few limbs) before you even knew what happened. Grab a handful of throttle going into a turn and you may end up crossing that little yellow line on the road into on-coming traffic…**shudder**. Bikes that are more forgiving of mistakes are far safer (not to mention, more fun) to learn on.

Ask yourself this question; in which manner would you rather learn to walk on a circus high-wire A) with a 4x4 board that is 2 feet off the ground B) with a wire that is 20 feet off the ground? Most sensible people would choose “A”. The reason why is obvious. Unfortunately safety concerns with a first motorcycle aren’t as apparent as they are in the example above. However, the wrong choice of what equipment to learn on can be just as deadly, regardless of how safe, careful, and level-headed you intend to be.

3. “But I Will be Safe, Responsible, and Level-Headed While Learning": Sorry, but this line of reasoning doesn’t cut it. To be safe you also need SKILL (throttle control, speed, leaning, etc). Skill comes ONLY with experience. To gain experience you must ride in real traffic, with real cars, and real dangers. Before that experience is developed, you are best suited with a bike that won’t severely punish you for minor mistakes. A cutting edge race bike is not one of these bikes.

Imagine someone saying, "I want to learn to juggle, but I’m going to start by learning with chainsaws. But don’t worry. I intend to go slow, be careful, stay level-headed, and respect the power of the chainsaws while I’m learning". Like the high-wire example, the proper route here isn’t hard to see. Be “careful” all you want, go as “slow” as you want, be as “cautious” as you want, be as “respectful” as you want…your still juggling chainsaws! The “level-headed” thing to do in this situation is NOT to start with chainsaws. Without a foundation in place of HOW to juggle there is only a small level of safety you can aspire towards. Plain and simple, it’s just better to learn juggling with tennis balls than it with chainsaws. The same holds true for learning to ride a motorcycle. Start with a solid foundation in the basics, and then move up. Many people say that “maturity” will help you be safe with motorcycles. They are correct. However, maturity has NOTHING to do with learning to ride a motorcycle. Maturity is what you SHOULD use when deciding what kind of bike to buy so that you may learn to ride a motorcycle safely.

4. “I Don’t Want a Bike I’ll Outgrow”: Please. Did your Momma put you in size 9 shoes at age 2? Get with the program. It is far better to maximize the performance of a smaller motorcycle and get “bored" with it than it is to mess-up your really fast bike (not mention messing yourself up) and not being able to ride at all. Power is nothing without control.

5. “I Don’t Want to Waste Money on a Bike I’ll Only Have for a Short Period of Time” (i.e. cost): Smaller, used bikes have and retain good resale value. This is because other sane people will want them as learner bikes. You’ll prolly be able to sell a used learner bike for as much as you paid for it. If you can't afford to upgrade in a year or two, then you definitely can't afford to wreck the bike your dreaming about. At the very least, most new riders drop bikes going under 20MPH, when the bike is at its most unstable periods. If you drop your brand new bike, fresh off the showroom floor, while your learning (and you will), you've just broken a directional, perhaps a brake or clutch lever, cracked / scrapped the fairings ($300.00 each to replace), messed-up the engine casing, messed-up the bar ends, etc. It's better and cheaper to drop a used bike that you don’t care about than one you just spent $8,500 on. Fortunately, most of these types of accidents do not result in serious physical injury. It’s usually just a big dent in your pride and…

6. EGO. Worried about looking like chump on a smaller bike? Well, your gonna look like the biggest idiot ever on your brand new, but messed-up bike after you’ve dropped it a few times. You’ll also look really dumb with a badass race bike that you stall 15 times at a red light before you can get into gear. Or even better, how about a new R6 that you can’t ride more than 15mph around a turn because you don’t know how to counter-steer correctly? Yeah, your gonna be really cool with that bike, huh? Any real rider would give you props for going about learning to ride the *correct* way (i.e. on a learner bike). If you’re stressed about impressing someone with a “cool” bike, or embarrassed about being on smaller bike, then your not “mature enough” to handle the responsibility of ANY motorcycle. Try a bicycle. After you've grow-up (“matured”), revisit the idea of something with an engine.

7. "Don’t Ask for Advice if You Don't Want to Hear a Real Answer". A common pattern:
1. Newbie asks for advice on a 1st bike (Newbie wants to hear certain answers)
2. Experienced rider’s advise Newbie against a 600cc supersport bike for a first ride (This is not what Newbie wanted to hear).
3. Newbie says and thinks, "Others mess up while learning, but that wont happen to me" (As if Newbie is invincible, holds superpowers, never makes mistakes, has a “level head”, or has a skill set that exceeds the majority of the world, etc).
4. Experienced riders explain why a “level head” isn’t enough. You also need SKILL, which can ONLY be gained via experience. (Newbie thinks he has innate motorcycle skills)
5. Newbie makes up excuses as to why he is “mature” enough to handle a 600cc supersport bike”. (Skill drives motorcycles, not maturity)
6. Newbie, with no knowledge about motorcycles, totally disregards all the advice he asked for in the first place. (Which brings us right back to the VERY FIRST point I made about “knowledge of subject matter”).
7. Newbie goes out and buys a R6, CBR, GSX, 6R, etc. Newbie is scared of the power. Being scared of your bike is the LAST thing you want. Newbie gets turned-off to motorcycles, because of fear, and never gets to really experience all the fun that they truly can be. Or worse, Newbie gets in a serious accident.
8. Newbie was actually never really looking for serious advice anyway. What he really wanted was validation and approval of a choice he was about to make or had already consciously made. When he received real advice instead of validation he became defensive about his ability to handle a modern sport bike as first ride. Validation of a poor decision isn’t going to replace scratched bodywork on your bike. It isn’t going put broken bones back together. It isn’t going graft shredded skin back onto your body. It isn’t going to teach you to ride a motorcycle the correct way. However, solid advice from experienced riders, when heeded, can help to avoid some of these issues.

I’m not trying to be harsh. I’m being real. Look all over the net. You’ll see veteran after veteran telling new riders NOT to get a 600cc supersport bike for a first ride. You’ll even see pros saying to start small. Why? Because we hate new riders? Because we don't want others to have cool bikes? Because we want to smash your dreams? Nothing could be further from the truth. The more riders the better (assuming they're not squids)! The reason people like me and countless others spend so much time trying to dissuade new riders from 600cc supersport bikes is because we actually care about you. We don't want to see people get hurt. We don't want to see more people die in senseless accidents that could have been totally avoided with a little logic and patients. We want the “sport” to grow in a safe, healthy, and sane way. We WANT you to be around to ride that R6, CBR600RR, GSX-1000, Hayabusa, etc that you desire so badly. However, we just want you to be able to ride it in a safe manner that isn’t going to be a threat to yourself or others. A side note, you may see people on the net and elsewhere saying “600cc supersport bikes are OK to start with”. Look a bit deeper when you see this. The vast majority of people making these statements are new riders themselves. If you follow their advice you’ve entered into a situation of the blind leading the blind. This is not something you want to do with motorcycles. You may also hear bike dealers saying that a 600cc supersport bike is a good starter bike. They are trying to make money off you. Don’t listen.

Speaking of help, this is a great time to plug the MSF (Motorcycle Safety Foundation) course. The MSF course is an AMAZING learning opportunity for new riders. The courses are offered all over the USA. A link for their web site is listed at the bottom of this post (or do a Goggle search and check you local DMV web page.). The MSF course assumes no prior knowledge of motorcycles and teaches the basics of how to ride a bike with out killing yourself (and NO, just because you passed the MSF course it dose NOT mean your ready for an R6, GSX, CBR, etc). They provide motorcycles and helmets for the course. It is by far THE BEST way to start a life-long relationship with motorcycles. In some areas if you pass the course your motorcycle license will then be directly mailed to you. This means that you DON’T HAVE TO GO TO THE DMV, AT ALL!!!). That alone should be enough reason to take the course. Also, in some states you will get a discount on your insurance after you’ve taken the course. But wait, there is more! Some manufactures (Honda, Yamaha, etc) offer rebates if you take the course and then buy one of their bikes. Check their web sites / local dealers for details. I can’t plug the MSF course enough. It the best deal going for new riders. Period.

By the way, the short answer to the question, “What should I get for a first bike?” is as follows
1. First choice, a used bike that is 500cc or under. A new 500cc bike is good, but it would suck if you dropped it. Plus, it will depreciate in value the second you drive off the dealers parking lot…not good when you want to resell it for that brand new R6, GSX600, CBR600, etc.
2. Any used OLDER 600cc sport bike (like 1980’s, early 1990’s).
3. Go here for the most compressive guide on “how to buy a used bike” that has ever been written.
Good “sport” type bikes for a first ride are as follows:
Honda: early 1990's Honda CBR600F3, 599
Kawasaki: Ninja 250cc, Ninja 500cc, early 1990’s ZX-6E or ZZR600.
Suzuki: GS500E, early 1990’s Katana 600cc, SV650*, SV650s*
Yamaha: early 1990’s Yamaha YZF600R**
Suzuki’s SV650 and Yamaha’s YZF-600R can be quite a handful for a new rider, but they can also make great bikes.
4. Any other used “standard” style motorcycle.

Also, a GREAT book to check out is “The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Motorcycles, 3rd edition”. The book coves everything from picking out a first bike, simple repair, anatomy of an engine, how to buy a used bike, riding gear, tips for surviving on the road, racing, etc. You can check this book out almost any major bookstore, www.amazon.com
or www.idiotsguides.com

MY ADVICE FOR ANYONE LOOKING TO GET INTO MOTORCYCLES WOULD BE TO BUY THIS BOOK AND READ IT COVER TO COVER ABOUT 2 OR 3 TIMES. AFTER YOU HAVE DONE THAT, THEN TAKE THE MSF COURSE. You’ll go into the course with some great information that will greatly enrich and hasten your learning experience. It will also give you a HUGE advantage on the written test at the conclusion of the MSF course. Trust me on this one, buy the book. At the very least, go hang out at Barnes & Nobel for an afternoon and read as much of the book as you can until they kick you out of the store.

I haven’t even mentioned riding gear. Get it. Wear it. People who wear tank tops, flip-flops, and shorts while riding don’t look so cool when it comes time for a skin-graft (or when a bee goes up their shorts). There are two types of motorcycle rides: those who have crashed, and those who will. Dress for the crash, not the ride.

A number of people have emailed me recently and asked the following question, “I have ridden a friends street bike a few times, and grew up riding off-road bikes. With this history, would I be OK on a modern 600cc bike?” The answer is “No”. Off-road and street riding are totally different worlds. Granted, someone with off-road history knows things like shift patterns, how to use a clutch, etc but the power, weight, and handling of street bikes are a different ball game altogether.

-chris sedition
Boston, MA
chris.sedition@gmail.com

www.msf-usa.org(web site for the Motorcycle Safety Foundation)

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spenc954 spenc954
New User | Posts: 30 | Joined: 01/05
Posted: 09/03/05
04:56 AM

Outstanding Post.  Placing this on the bulletin board for all the young soldiers with new Iraqi Deployment money to spend in the states.  

 
sedition sedition
New User | Posts: 8 | Joined: 06/04
Posted: 11/02/05
08:25 PM

I'm honored. thanks.

-chris sedition
Boston, MA  

 
vasilis vasilis
New User | Posts: 3 | Joined: 11/05
Posted: 11/15/05
02:38 AM

when u r refering to new riders, do you mean people who have never had any contact with any bike?
Ive been riding a gilera runner 125 for 7 years now and i decided to make the transition to a larger bike.I chose the Honda Hornet 600(599 in the U.S.) just because articles over the internet refer to the hornet 600 as an ideal first bike.Ofcourse other factors have played a role in my choice.
Now my question is this. Is the Hornet with 97 bhp a good first bike?

thanks  

 
JVance145 JVance145
New User | Posts: 16 | Joined: 12/05
Posted: 12/17/05
03:52 AM

I couldn't agree more I have seen too many new riders get a hot bike for a starter and sadly making headlines with them  

 
nb4287 nb4287
New User | Posts: 1 | Joined: 04/06
Posted: 04/09/06
12:59 PM

Wow. Reading this article completely changed my mind about how i was going to go about purchasing a new bike. I am 19 years old and have been wanting a bike since I was able to drive. I have visited countless numbers of websites that suggested a 600cc bike as a starter. And my first bike that I picked out was the Honda CBR600F4i. Sure looked like a nice bike and it met the suggestions of all the other sites. i wish I would have started here in my research. I would have saved a lot of time. Thanks a lot for the advice. You probably just saved my life.  

 
hsxr hsxr
New User | Posts: 2 | Joined: 05/06
Posted: 05/01/06
04:01 PM

Hi all. I'm a new rider. I just finished the MSF basic course and I was reading this post. I think you got some really good advice there and I just had a question. You said that an used older 600cc bike is good for newbies. Would a 1992 or 1993 GSX-R600 qualify in that category? Thanks!  

 
IvantheGreat IvantheGreat
New User | Posts: 1 | Joined: 06/06
Posted: 06/01/06
11:53 AM

Excellent post. I also believe starting on a 500cc is a better idea than 600cc+. However, I'm looking for my first bike and I strongly want my bike to be fuel injected. I can't seem to find anything under the year 2003 and under 600cc. I don't want to mess with carbs and want a reliable bike. Do any of you know of a fuel injected sportbike under 600cc to learn on? Or is there a particular 600cc fuel injected one more "newbie friendly" compared to others?  

 
Atroxus Atroxus
User | Posts: 54 | Joined: 04/06
Posted: 06/01/06
05:01 PM

My best friend's wife got a 2005 ZZR600 last year as her first bike. She seems pretty happy with it. It might require a bit more caution when first learning though since it is a 4 cylinder.  

 
2005TiZX10R 2005TiZX10R
Enthusiast | Posts: 351 | Joined: 05/05
Posted: 06/01/06
06:08 PM


Not really many choices for you IvantheGreat....  SV650 and Ninja650....  Just about everything else has carbs....  Nothing wrong with carbs by the way...  They are simple, reliable and you can work on them yourself.


Chris  

 
vulcan666 vulcan666
New User | Posts: 1 | Joined: 08/06
Posted: 08/24/06
06:18 AM

I'm totally on board with buying a machine that's not too difficult to handle.  I rode for five years, about twenty years ago.  Back then I had a 125, then a 500.  Now I'm going to get a new bike, thinking about a 750.  But not a sportbike, a cruiser.

My plan was to take the MSF course then buy the bike (Vulcan 750).  For this rather more sedate bike, would you guys still recommend some refresher time in a smaller saddle -- or is a cruiser (not pretending to be a sport bike) a little different animal?

Thanks!  

 
Brian_00_29 Brian_00_29
New User | Posts: 1 | Joined: 08/06
Posted: 08/24/06
08:56 AM

Well after reading this I guess Im doomed Ive riden bikes since I was 8 yrs old Dirt Atv and two street bikes a 250 and a 550 I have not owned a bike in ten years decided that I wanted one and found a really nice 04 Honda 1000RR my first sport bike. So should I get rid of it are take my time and learn the bike and how it reacts to different things. So far Ive only had it to 70 but I just got it yesterday.  

 
cbr1000rr cbr1000rr
New User | Posts: 7 | Joined: 09/06
Posted: 09/11/06
11:53 AM

My wife got her MC license in Oct 05. Her first bike was a Ninja 250, which is now for sale. After riding for 7 months on the 250 with me and my buds who all own 1000 cc bikes on several canyon runs and around the Altanta area, she decided to move up. She purchased a 2007 Kaw ZZR600. At first, I was nervous about her moving up to a 600cc bike, but she was very responsible and followed my golden rule of "ride your ride" and didn't try to keep up with us. She as taken up to the North Georgia mountains on Rt 60, 180 and 75. The bike handled well and was just enough for her to enjoy the ride, better than being on the 250. She has already mentioned replacing the stock can, but I think the bike has enough power for her stock. Great bike for the beginner.  

 
cbr1000rr cbr1000rr
New User | Posts: 7 | Joined: 09/06
Posted: 09/11/06
11:58 AM

I own an 04 CBR 1000rr. That is not a bike to relearn to ride or for a beginner rider. Although the bike is the most forgiving of the 1 liter bikes, it is still 1000cc. I use mine on the track and it is no slouch. Please be careful. Don't grab a hand full of throttle. I have been riding for 23 years, have owned several sports bike from all the major manufactures to include a Triumph Daytona 955i (great bike) and I still have the utmost respect and us caution with my CBR.  

 
vegasvfr vegasvfr
New User | Posts: 2 | Joined: 11/06
Posted: 11/06/06
09:18 AM

the 600 series has the sport and the sport touring. the sport touring has the two up seats that are more comfortable and a power curve more attune to midrange. i would go with that in a 600. the key item most new riders dont understand that for a street bike you can ride better with a bike that has more midrange than a bike you have to rev up to 8000 rpm - 14000 rpm to make it perform. i can buy anything including the ducati xerox but i drive a 2001 vfr. it has lots of midrange from 2500 rpm up to 12k and it feels comfortable in the 4-6000 range all day. you dont have to slip the clutch like a madman to get off the line especially on a hill. with a full up sport bike geared for top end the low end street driving becomes a chore. fuel injection also makes your life easier. So go with the midrange tuner version of the sport bike. it will be plenty fast and be more livable for street driving, and also be more comfortable over the drive for you and if you carry a passenger.  

 
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