posers vs. riders

the question is what are some how to tell posers from real riders. instead of listing what i think are posers, i want to hear your opinions and see what everybody thinks a poser is.  i'll go ahead and say one. a poser is someone always says what kind of bike he has when he meets a girl but you never see him riding it.  

The classic definition:

http://svrider.com/articles/2000jun_squid.htm  

very true article. i my self have take on an R6 and cbr with my sv650. not to say that the R6 and cbr aren't fantastic machines but if the driver cant hold a line, honestly all that power wont get you anywhere (unless ofcourse its a straight away and all you have to do is twist). im one of those who has learned to ride with a while hitting a few bumbs on the road, like say lowsiding, but thats how you learn from your mistakes. i think a bike is more than a weekend toy having put more than 10k on my 2004 sv. but all said and done, it does hit hard when a friend shows signs of being a poser, always having excuses why they wont ride and never wanting to take the time to add skill to their riding. but what can you do, pose away i say.  

Simple. A poser is anyone who's skills don't match their talk. I've got no problem with guys on crusers that are more show than go if that is what they enjoy. It takes all types. But when the blingers start to think their fast just because they can twist a grip, that is when I invite them to the track. The track is cheap [less than a ticket], safe [no opposing traffic], and doesn't suffer fools. Usually, they beg off. On occasion, I get the chance to hand them their liter bike asses. On very rare occasions, the guy [or girl] turns out to be a really fast rider. Not surprisingly, those folks turn out to be very good riding buddies.

The street is for show, the track is for go. Put up or shut up.
 

Heres a big poser line. "Thats a badass bike I would get one but I like to go fast and I'll probably kill myself" my reply to posers like that is "you'll kill yourself cause you don't know what the hell your doing ya big dummy!"  

A poser is the guy leaning against his bike in front of the tatoo shop and the rider is the one going by on his way out of town.    

I would say look at the chicken strips...  

Chicken strips is a good way to tell a poser.  I know a guy who I have seen on a Gixxer 1000 for a year now, and his chicken strips are still as wide as his middle wear on the original tire.  Big time poser.  

chicken strips can be a good way to tell, but some people might have a street bike that they don't push (so they'd have chicken strips on it) and then have a dedicated track bike that they tear up on the track.  Some people don't like to push it on the street, usually not the best environment to use all the tire.  

also, do you guys think that for you to be considered an all around rider, you need to know how to do some stunts? what would you say the basic stunts to know are?? see i think that if you stunt you will at one point go down and depending on what your doing your bike will be pretty bad. i think that i true rider takes care of his machine and keeps it on the upside rather than take a chance doing something cool or stupid how ever you want to look at it.  

This is the guy who is more concerned with what brand and how loud his exhaust is than he is with whether or not his suspension is set up properly.  

Stunting looks cool, but I would never use that as a judge of a rider.  I have only been riding just over a year and would rather put my bike on a track than do wheelies on the highway.  The track is the best place to really use your bike to full potential.  It also takes more skill.  Anyone can change a sprocket add some bling and pop a wheelie.  

I got a classic example of a poser. I have been riding for a few years now. Had 1 fall last year. This year I bought a new bike. 04 Suzuki 1K. I love it. I am going to go in late August fo rm first track day. My cousin bought a used 01 CBR 600 rode for about 2000 miles never gained any skills. His chicken strips are the biggest that anyone will ever see. One day I let him ride my bike around the parking lot. He does fine but no turns. I take him on a Bear Mtn NY and I kill him. Not because of my speed but the boy doesnt know how to lean. So he just sold his bike to get the new R1 or ZX-10R. I told him get a 600 and he tells me the R1 is a better looking bike. Classic case of poser. I am never going to ride with him again. Stupid dumbass.  

I do stunts even though when I bought my 1000 everybody said I couldn't handle that bike with no riding experience. It was the opposite I love wheelies and stoppies. Do you need to know how? No. But I like canyon carving and can't wait to get to the track but if you won a race what are you gonna want to do wheelie. But I do agree there are some stunt riders that it is just amazing what they do. if you can ride a wheelie or stoppie you'll understand what is so amazing about it. But I wouldn't go that far but I do think a good wheelie seated or not and a rolling stoppie is a necessity.If you don't know how hard you can grab the brakes how do you learn to stop wait until you hit someone. If your on the track or in the canyon if your not braking hard enough before a turn that your rear end comes up your braking to early, and if your not on the gas balancing a 40/60 weight transfer your not turning as fast as you could. Point wheelie throttle control, stoppie brake limits.  

A poser is just that...... posing

Someone that buys a full set of leathers and ride around the neighborhood, but doesn't touch the track = POSER

Putting Bling on a bike and looking like a stunter but really scared to even do a first gear wheelie = POSER

Buying a Hayabusa to say how fast it is, but you really won't race anybody = POSER

If you road race, you have no right to call stunters posers and vice versa.  Do what you will with your bike, just don't pretend to be something you are not.