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If the Hayabusa or ZX-14 is so quick....
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Dr_Bob
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Posted: 06/18/06
07:15 AM
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Why don't performance numbers back up the supposed superiority of these bikes compared to the likes of the GSX-1000? i.e. quarter mile and 0- 60. I have only seen the specs for the Hayabusa (not the ZX-14) and can only assume the specs for the ZX-14 are somewhat similar. I am obviously missing something basic here.
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Grip
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Posted: 06/18/06
07:36 AM
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The performance figures for the mighty Busa have been printed to death since the first battle between it and the XX Blackbird back in 1999. The ZX14 is the new kid on the block and as things go, the challenger to what most consider the flat out speed champion. Kawasaki promotes the ZX14 as its most powerful bike ever. They do not however make any claims as to the bikes status in the world of hyperspeed. These bikes are traditionally long and heavy, which does limit their abilities to handle a good set of tight twisties although one could clearly make the arguement they own the open road where their performance and massive amounts of power can be used. A true sportbike they are not.......
Grip
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Dr_Bob
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Posted: 06/18/06
05:09 PM
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Thanks for your reply. I can understand that the Hayabusa and the ZX-14 are not as quick in the twisties.....that's a given. But why can't they take a GSX-1000 in flat out straight line?
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casey
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Posted: 06/18/06
05:53 PM
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A true sportbike they are not.......
WHOOOOAAA NOW!!
I've seen guys push Hayabusas through Deal's Gap with a QUICKNESS. I followed a guy through on a Honda sport touring bike once that I could barely keep pace with on my Speed Triple. Don't let the saddlebags fool you.....
Could a Hayabusa rider go faster through tight turns on a GSXR 1000? Maybe.
But I've seen guys on long bikes catch and overtake 600s, in the turns.
Don't assume too much.
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Grip
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Posted: 06/19/06
08:26 AM
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Forget the Dragon and forget I've seen guys. The parameters for that being a realistic test are way too open and the error factor way too unpredictable. If we took both bikes, the Busa and the ZX14, placed one professional rider on both of them one at a time to get a base line for a series of timed, laps this would be favorable data to test from. Then, take the likes of the R1, GSX-R 1000 and even the ZX10 to get the same base line for timed laps, along the same course; I think you will find the two hyper-bikes to be slow by comparison. In a straight line they have no equal however, they will never be twisty material and if they were, you would see them racing with the big boys and you don’t, ever………
As to the GSX-R 1000 being capable of top end speeds above that of the Busa, forget it… They're not even close and the Busa is speed limited where the Gixer is not.....
Grip
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casey
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Posted: 06/19/06
03:56 PM
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Forget the Dragon and forget I've seen guys.
Ok.
How about forget 'a true sportbike they are not', Mr. Wizard. Let me know how your independent scientific studies go. Keep checking back with me with your theories and I'll keep you posted on whether or not they match up with reality.
Hayabusas can swerve in the right hands. They ARE a sportbike. Deal with it.
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scorpion
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Posted: 06/20/06
08:25 AM
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at the strip a GSXR wont even come close to the ZX14. press release guys were doing 9s, stock. bone stock. straight out of the case stock. and it was all day long, every bike.
one of my past visits to the track there was a guy running in Novice on a busa. I've been behind Novices on Busas before, it wasnt pretty. But this guy threw the bike around the track like it was a 600ss. very very good rider, and he handled the bike beautifly.
technically the Busa and ZX14 are in the class called Hypertouring. whats so hypertouring bout them? dont know.
they tour, they move at hyper speeds maybe?
anyways. if you pick up any mag in the past couple of months most of them went out to the release of the ZX14 and you'll read that in a straight line it has no equal, not even the Busa. Suzuki is possibly pumping up for a production of the I6 Busa (using the same engine that was in the "Stratosphere" prototype bike).
Honestly to me its a purpose built bike, straight line, really fast. and there are people that dig that, im just not one of them. but to say that the ZX14 or Busa couldnt take a gsxr1000 at the strip is just rediculous.... unless of course they were in the hands of a total noob and the gsxr1k was tricked out.
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Grip
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Posted: 06/20/06
01:24 PM
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Forget the Dragon and forget I've seen guys.
Ok.
How about forget 'a true sportbike they are not', Mr. Wizard. Let me know how your independent scientific studies go. Keep checking back with me with your theories and I'll keep you posted on whether or not they match up with reality.
Hayabusas can swerve in the right hands. They ARE a sportbike. Deal with it.
The term sportbike was brought about because of race replicas hence the name sportbike. Now, one could say that because they are sold in the sportbike class they are a sport bike but then again so is the FZ1 and an R1 it is not, nor is the ZX14 a ZX10, which by all counts is faster on track day than the hyperbike. Think about it, if the likes of the Busa, Blackbird, FJR and ZX14 were so stinking fast then why pray tell are they not racing them in F1 or Superbike. They just don't have it for the track and while they are the all out speed champs respectively, a true sportbike they are not nor is the FZ1, Z1000 or a number of other bikes that are actually sold by manufacturers as sportbikes. These are not race replicas, they don't look anything like race replicas and they will never be race replicas. Therefore Homer, deal with the fact they are a plug in the sportbike market just like the FZ1, Z1000 and a host of other wantabe sportbikes......
Grip
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Grip
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Posted: 06/20/06
01:42 PM
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at the strip a GSXR wont even come close to the ZX14. press release guys were doing 9s, stock.
The ZX10, GSX-R 1000 and R-1 have been running 9's for a few years now right out of the crate but more recently things have changed in terms of quarter mile times. The GXS-R 1000 is now posting stock times of 9.90 where the others are 9.91 and 9.92 all day long. So, 9's is nothing new. What is new is the GSX-R being ahead of the others. These bikes will post times equal to the Busa in a quarter mile and their speed is right up there too at 142-145mph. A bike that posts a 9.3 is something new however, the film I saw of the ZX-14 running that time seemed odd as the exhaust was not stock and for some reason it seemed as though the front end was tied down to prevent top loading the front fork. I'm not saying the bike isn't capable of running some very fast times but I doubt the bike in the film was stock and the exhaust was clearly modified; the stock ZX14 has a dual system.
Grip
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casey
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Posted: 06/20/06
01:47 PM
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Ok then, Dr. Webster. Where do we begin?
I guess we'll split up.... YOU can begin by writing in to Sport Rider Magazine and tell the editors that they can stop posting the performance numbers for Hayabusas and the like, because they are not sportbikes.
And I'll start working the dealerships in the area and tell them to move the Hayabusas and naked bikes to the opposite side of the showroom from the 'real' sportbikes. Then I'll swing over to Robbinsville and tell the guys on the Hayabusas to slow it down and quit running with the 600s and literbikes, because they aren't really on a sportbike anyway.
Thanks for straightening us all out. 
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Posted: 06/20/06
07:16 PM
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Dr_Bob
The reason the new liter bikes are so close to the 'Busa and ZX12R and XX are that they (the liters bikes) see every other year improvements. For example, the 'Busa hasn't really seen any note worthy changes or updates since it debuted in 1999 (steel subframe and coating on fork tubes comes to mind). The GSXR1000 on the other hand is in it's 3rd generation, and it has seen several major updates. So you now have bikes that make similar peak power to the 'Busa/12R but weigh about 100 lbs less... The new ZX-14 is the new king. I am batting about .500 vs 'Busa and other liter bikes on my 10R, but 0-4 against the 14 in roll ons. And for one of the roll ons, the guys 120lbs wife was on the back.  All I know is that he had a Muzzy full exhaust system..... I assume he had a PC or something for the FI. And maybe even gearing. It is one quick/fast motorcycle.
Grip
I agree with Casey. The GTs or hypertourers or whatever are sport bikes. Race replicas are a subset of sport bikes.  They are not race replicas, but they most definitely are sport bikes. FZ1, Z1000, Touno, etc. not sport bikes? Depends on who you ask.... A lot of people call them naked sport bikes. They are certainly not as hard core as an R1 or ZX10 or... But they are more than capable in the corners. Will an FZ1 beat an R1 around a track? Not with a skilled rider at the controls. But does that make it less than a sport bike? Is a Corvette not a sports car because a Carrera GT will lap a track faster? And yes, lots of bike run 9's stock. Corrected high 9s. The new 14 will run 9.6s all day with a pro like Gadsen or Ryan Shnitz (sp?) at the controls. I think AT ran a 9.8/9.9 uncorrected at LVMS. And the reason they don't race these kinds of bike in Superbike/MotoGP is rules. They both currently have an approximately 1000cc max displacement rule. And F1 is for cars btw. And something to ponder... Tires have a tough time standing up to the power that 1000cc race bikes make. How would tires fare on a bike with the potential to make 30% more power? And then there is fuel consumption....
Chris
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TEvo
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Posted: 06/21/06
01:51 PM
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Semantics and relativity, folks. A skillful rider can haul a$$ no matter the bike.
They did race a GSX1300R Hayabusa for awhile in the old Formula Xtreme rules. IIRC, wasn't too successful.
Roadracing imposes its own set of demands that are different for a bike optimized for straightline acceleration and drag racing. Can it be done. Sure. But if you have pro riders closely matched in skill, adapting something to perform in a discipline it wasn't originally intended is jsut one more obstacle to overcome.
And oh yeah, latest in from Isle of Man... Kiwi Bruce Antsey clocked 206mph down a long (~ 1 mile) straight during practice. On a GSX-R1000.
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casey
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Posted: 06/21/06
07:12 PM
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The ride in today felt kind of slow.....
Maybe that's because yesterday my Speed Triple was a sportbike, and today it isn't.
HAHAHA! NOT! 
I guess I need to call Geico and tell them it's not a sportbike anymore.  It's a standard, or something.  Crap, I don't know..... JUST LOWER MY RATES!! 
What if I put a fairing on it.... then it would be a Daytona. Then it would be a sportbike, I guess. 
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vegas62
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Posted: 04/21/07
07:36 AM
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Let me help fellas. 2006 ZX-14 Ninja
Baytown Raceway Baytown, Texas
Team Green members at Highlands Kawasaki of Highlands, Texas
8.87 @ 154 1/4 mile on 93 octane pump gas. Modification: Brocks Exhaust w/power commander.
8.93 @ 154 1/4 mile on 93 octane pump gas.
Modification: TRE Box w/ Stock Exhaust
9.01 @ 152 1/4 mile pass on 93 octane pump gas. Modifications: NONE
Top Speed Limiter Bypassed: Calibrated and certified RADAR Type LASER.
Location: I/10 Westbound just east of Gulfport, Mississippi. 3:30pm cntrl
224 mph with speedohealer installed
This is not speculation!!! 
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Posted: 04/26/07
07:20 PM
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Let me help fellas. 2006 ZX-14 Ninja
Baytown Raceway Baytown, Texas
Team Green members at Highlands Kawasaki of Highlands, Texas
8.87 @ 154 1/4 mile on 93 octane pump gas. Modification: Brocks Exhaust w/power commander.
8.93 @ 154 1/4 mile on 93 octane pump gas.
Modification: TRE Box w/ Stock Exhaust
9.01 @ 152 1/4 mile pass on 93 octane pump gas. Modifications: NONE
Top Speed Limiter Bypassed: Calibrated and certified RADAR Type LASER.
Location: I/10 Westbound just east of Gulfport, Mississippi. 3:30pm cntrl
224 mph with speedohealer installed
This is not speculation!!!
Those times are way too quick for a stock 14, or even with an exhaust...
And a 14 would need a turbo to go 224 mph. I'd guess it would need about 275 hp at the tire for that kind of speed.
Post a link please.
Chris
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