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TRIGGERhappy TRIGGERhappy
New User | Posts: 26 | Joined: 10/05
Posted: 04/19/06
05:13 PM

hhmmmm this really sucks i was kinda expecting me to fall down one of this days on some brutal curves hmmm but the accident i had this past sunday was i got rearended on a stoplight like a sitting duck hmmm not wut i expected my first accident would be lol accidents like i had all your the techniques i learned didnt really help considering i was just sitting there on a red light with both my feet down on the pavement     now my bike bike needs $3500 worth of fixing  but its all good ill probably have it back in about 2 weeks    

 
TEvo TEvo
Enthusiast | Posts: 322 | Joined: 10/02
Posted: 04/19/06
05:19 PM

Yikes. Sorry to hear about that. At least you're around to post about it. You okay??

Let your insurance loose on the idiot and make him pay for every penny.

Which segues into another riding technique... leave the bike in first, have an escape path and if you don't see the cage pulling up behind you slowing... get the h*ll out of dodge. I never shift into neutral until there is at least one car stopped behind me or I am sure the rear sector is clear.

Glad you weren't seriously hurt.  

 
TRIGGERhappy TRIGGERhappy
New User | Posts: 26 | Joined: 10/05
Posted: 04/19/06
08:04 PM

thnx. oh i already got my lawyer working on it for all the trouble he caused me like going to a chiropractor for therapy  for the next 2 months!    

 
open_roads open_roads
User | Posts: 126 | Joined: 12/04
Posted: 04/21/06
01:03 PM

Pop the top on a can of Red Bull and grow some fracking

wings.

EXAMPLE= Your comming of the straight at 90mph entering a fast sweeping corner with a posted speed limit of 55mph.You are in the middle of what ever gear you have picked but realize you have come into the corner way to hard due to a bad line or whatever and are being pulled hard to the outside of the road. what would you do to correct this and bring you back to were you want to be?

1. Look where you want to go instead of where you are
  going now - re_read articles about target fixation.-
 
2. -Neutral throttle-

3. -Induce more lean-angle-

The indicated speed in this example is not excessive for

the corner.  

 
casey casey
Enthusiast | Posts: 470 | Joined: 09/05
Posted: 04/22/06
03:50 PM

What is 'neutral throttle'?
Shut?
Cracked open?  

 
open_roads open_roads
User | Posts: 126 | Joined: 12/04
Posted: 04/22/06
07:55 PM

"What is 'neutral throttle'?"

In my corner of the world, it means -zero input-; maintain

current throttle position.

*note

You can also tighten your line via the rear brake, provided

you have practiced and developed brake management skills.  

 
geof geof
User | Posts: 95 | Joined: 09/05
Posted: 04/22/06
09:28 PM

If you are thinking of "trail braking" it isn't done with the rear brake. It is done with the front brake and as you noted it will tighten the line, but this is a skill that takes time to develop and should NOT be used in an "oh sh!t" moment unless very well developed.

Using the rear brake slightly can help, but it is a good idea to not use or rely on it as most are easy to lock and will upset the bike bias. Generally it isn't a great idea to use the rear brake at all in hard cornering... We ain't ridin' Harleys...  

 
casey casey
Enthusiast | Posts: 470 | Joined: 09/05
Posted: 04/23/06
12:03 AM

"I'm in a corner too fast, about to go off the edge of the road. I think I'll just stay in the gas...."
Yeah right.

"I'm leaned over really far in a panic situation. Let's drag the rear brake."
Yeah right.  

 
TRIGGERhappy TRIGGERhappy
New User | Posts: 26 | Joined: 10/05
Posted: 04/23/06
08:34 AM

hhmmm first time i heard of touching your brakes while leaned in a panic position ( leaned + touch brakes = back tires will skid = bike drops on the pavement) isnt it?   dont know cause isnt it even when you control how much brake u apply while leaned it will still dirsrupt the the force inward( to stay inside the pavement) that your trying to apply to make that curve and theres a good chance that tires will still skid?   and the last thing u need is more load on your back tires while leaning (hhmm did i say that right??)    

 
TRIGGERhappy TRIGGERhappy
New User | Posts: 26 | Joined: 10/05
Posted: 04/23/06
08:44 AM

"An object at uniform motion will remain traveling in uniform motion unless acted upon by a net force( your brakes)    

 
open_roads open_roads
User | Posts: 126 | Joined: 12/04
Posted: 04/24/06
06:47 PM

"EXAMPLE= Your comming of the straight at 90mph entering a fast sweeping corner with a posted speed limit of 55mph.You are in the middle of what ever gear you have picked but realize you have come into the corner way to hard due to a bad line or whatever and are being pulled hard to the outside of the road. what would you do to correct this and bring you back to were you want to be?"

Per example in above paragraph-maintain current throttle

position while inducing more lean angle- will bring you

back to where you want to be.

"I'm in a corner too fast, about to go off the of the

road. I think I'll just stay in the gas...." If you are

'about' to go off the edge of the road, you will...

"I'm leaned over really far in a panic situation. Let's

drag the rear brake." Don't be stupid, no-one would advocate

doing this.  

 
casey casey
Enthusiast | Posts: 470 | Joined: 09/05
Posted: 04/24/06
10:47 PM

It is possible that I misunderstood the context for which you advice was presented.
My bad, Yoda.  

 
DataDan DataDan
New User | Posts: 9 | Joined: 11/99
Posted: 04/25/06
07:33 AM

A couple of points from Nick Ienatsch's Sport Riding Techniques. Nick was the founding editor of Sport Rider back in 1994 (I think) and, IMHO, the best writer on riding technique. If you read only one book about sport riding, I highly recommend Nick's.

First, a definition of neutral or maintenance throttle:

You enter a corner off the throttle, with much of the weight of the bike on the front tire as it leans into the corner. If overloaded, the front tire will lose traction, so you must learn to ease the throttle open just enough to transfer soe weight off the front tire., but not enough to acually accelerate the bike. We call this maintenance throttle.

This neutral throttle or maintenance throttle will arrest and hold constant the bike's lean angle, unload the front tire sligh6tly, load the rear tire gently, and give the bike an amazingly balanced feel. Remember, this isn't accelerating throttle—this is just enough throttle to unload the front tire and maintain the lean angle.


Second, using the rear brake. This appears in Nick's chapter on steering, and he makes it very clear that it's an advanced technique:

There is an alternative to closing the throttle to tighten your cornering line, and that's draggin the rear brake. This racetrack technique is especially easy in left-hand corners due to the placement of the brake pedal, and is the reason why thumb-operated rear brakes have been appearing on race bikes over the past few years. The problem with closing the throttle mid-corner on the racetrack is that you're often much nearer the traction limit than you would be on the street, and closing the throttle transfers weight onto the front tire, a front tire that may not be able to handle it. Instead, racers have learned to leave the throttle steady and drag a bit of rear brake.  

 
open_roads open_roads
User | Posts: 126 | Joined: 12/04
Posted: 04/25/06
08:02 AM

Sport-bike riding techniques, on the track or roadways, is

not un-like politics - There are absolutes, but also 'gray'

areas...

But, un-like the current political arena, we can and should

argue the gray area in a clear and concise manner; dis-

tillation, absorbsion and refinement.

For the betterment of Hooligan-ism  

 
casey casey
Enthusiast | Posts: 470 | Joined: 09/05
Posted: 04/26/06
03:34 PM

Dan- Yes, I know what 'maintenance throttle' is, as I own that book and have read it cover to cover several times. That's why I had to ask OpenRoads what he meant by 'neutral throttle' because by the context he used, he made it sound like he does NOT close the throttle while initiating a turn- which is NOT the way I ride.....

But the original question was discussing a posted 55 mph sweeper (aka 90 mph sweeper), and not a tighter turn like what I had in mind. The excerpt you posted was discussing 'corners', not posted 55mph curves. (Yeah, I was confused too).

OpenRoads - I really hope that you do not speak the same way that you write.  

 
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