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Ducati monster or Triumph
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Posted: 01/26/06
01:04 PM
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I'm looking to buy a monster or the speed four. I've heard they may have electrical problems. Is there anyone out there who has or knows someone who has one of these bikes? I want a bike that doesn't look like all the other bikes out there but I also want a reliable ride. Any help would be appreciated.
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geof
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Posted: 01/26/06
10:20 PM
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Dude, forget the speed 4... go for a Speed Triple. I tested several nakeds and the S3 is THE hands down bike to have. Don't worry about the electricals of the Triumphs. Non issue overall. The Ducs have more overall maintenance related issues...
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enp83
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Posted: 01/26/06
11:30 PM
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If this is your first bike, a used speed four wouldn't be a bad idea. Definately don't get a new bike to start off on.
FWIW a local Ducati tech told me that after the initial 6k mile valve adjustment (on new air cooled engines anyway) he usually doesn't need to adjust them for another 12k. They're still going to need adjusting more than other bikes but not necessarily every 6k.
If you test ride a Ducati Monster 1000 (maybe even the 800 too) the speed 4 will probably seem gutless. If you have pulse you'll love the tractor like pull of the Monster against the economy car pull of the speed four.
I'd highly suggest looking at Buells XB Lightnings as well, they're pretty easy to get a test ride on and are just as fun as Ducati's Monsters.
The Speed Triple is a GREAT bike as well.
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Posted: 01/27/06
06:54 PM
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I'm not a new rider but I think the speed triple might be too much bike for me. I'm really looking at the new s2r and the r6s. My problem with the triumph would be service or I should say where to get it serviced. I live in Sacramento CA. Here are the bikes that I'm looking at: honda 599 2006, r6s, monster. I like v twins but I might have to make go with an 4banger. The buell is a good idea, the city x has crossed my mind (without the hand guards) but what about the quality?
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tiger
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Posted: 01/27/06
07:03 PM
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The quality of buells, I am looking at the Xb9r for this spring. I have heard mentioned that a few years ago they were a tad unreliable. I would like to hear from anyone that has an '05 or if sport rider has an in depth review in an issue i wouldnt mind getting a back issue. Maybe we should start a thread finding out about buells.
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enp83
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Posted: 01/27/06
07:12 PM
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There are several threads about Buells on this board, you just have to search or look back through a few pages of threads. Make sure theres a good Buell dealer in your area, or even A Buell dealer in your area. Last year Buell pulled out of many Harley Davidson dealerships because they felt their Buell customers were getting poor support and some of the Harley dealers didn't want to deal with Buells anyway. Check Buells website.
New Triumphs are every bit as reliable as any bike from the big four *** brands. Some triumph riders are begging Triumph to make a speed triple with the new 675cc inline triple found in the 2006 Daytona 675, it's a shame they don't make one cause it might be right up your ally if you think the speed triple with the 1050cc engine might be too much.
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Posted: 01/27/06
11:04 PM
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Since you like V-twins... Any thoughts on as SV650? I heard a lot of great things about them. And if you are thinking about the R6S, then I wouldn't worry about the Speed Triple. The S3 has a bunch more torque, but the R6S should make about the same peak power. The new Ninja 650 might be worth looking into also....
I demo'd a Monster 750 a few years back.... Sweet ride. I like a little more fairing for long distance riding. I haven't tried one with the fly screen that you can get. Supposedly that makes a surprisingly good difference over the fully naked version...
Try and snag a ride on each.
Chris
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geof
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Posted: 01/28/06
12:21 AM
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If you ride a Buell and can ride the others, you will leave the Buell behind... You will see why... Another thought is an older S3, they can be had pretty cheap and are tons of fun!! Also, the 1050 really isn't the monster it's made out to be... it is TONS of bike, but very managable and one of the most fun out there.
I'm actually thinking of getting an SV650 for some track running. (not selling the S3) My S3 is a blast on the track, but I want to get into a bit of beginning racing. The SV650 is cheap, and very capable.
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enp83
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Posted: 01/28/06
01:00 AM
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If you ride a Buell and can ride the others, you will leave the Buell behind...
It's DEFINATELY NOT that cut and dry for every one.........
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Posted: 01/28/06
09:08 AM
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If you ride a Buell and can ride the others, you will leave the Buell behind... You will see why...
I will beg to differ. A Buell may get outrun by an I-4 in a squid race (a straight line drag race), but in capable hands on a twisty road it will run with just about anything. It carries a very low maintenance engine and a very usable power band. The one thing to look for is a good, reliable, and enthusiastic dealer. If you're interested I can hook you up with my dealer, he's very passionate and knowledgeable about the brand. He's in Wisconsin but he's willing to make great deals and great arrangements for out of state customers.
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geof
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Posted: 01/29/06
09:39 PM
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If you ride a Buell and can ride the others, you will leave the Buell behind... You will see why...
I will beg to differ. A Buell may get outrun by an I-4 in a squid race (a straight line drag race), but in capable hands on a twisty road it will run with just about anything. It carries a very low maintenance engine and a very usable power band. The one thing to look for is a good, reliable, and enthusiastic dealer. If you're interested I can hook you up with my dealer, he's very passionate and knowledgeable about the brand. He's in Wisconsin but he's willing to make great deals and great arrangements for out of state customers.
Ok, say what you will... To the original post... Ride the Ducati, ride the Triumph, then ride the Buell. I've done it. There IS no comparison... Sorry, I'm not trying to knock the Buell, there are things about the bike that are cool, but they just don't stack up in this comparison...
But, in the end it is all about personal choice. If you like the Buell, go for it... Nothing wrong with it, in it's class...
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Posted: 01/29/06
10:04 PM
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I think a new smaller speed 3 with the 675 engine would be sweet. That would be my ultimate choice. I want to tour with my bike but nothing more than 250 miles a session. I know the speed and the monster are not great for highway travel but I think I could handle it for 200 miles. Anyway, most of my riding is on back roads. The sv650 is an option but I'm looking for something with a little better suspension. How about the new 599? It got pretty good ratings in the latest issue of sport rider (small review).
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enp83
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Posted: 01/30/06
12:42 AM
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Ride the Ducati, ride the Triumph, then ride the Buell. I've done it. There IS no comparison... Sorry, I'm not trying to knock the Buell, there are things about the bike that are cool, but they just don't stack up in this comparison...
Can't speak for the new speed triple but I've done it with the Ducati MONSTER 800/1000 (just to make sure we're not talking superbikes) and Buell XB9/12 Lightnings. The new speed triple will blow either bike away in the motor department, hands down, no question, no discussion. However, to say that the XB12S is no comparison to the Monster is just hot incinerated garbage.
The SS1000DS uses the same engine as the Monster 1000, and the Buell stomps it with 12 more rwhp and 12 more ft-lbs of torque.
Shortrider - People say a Speed Triple/Ducati Monster/Buell Lightning are not great for highway but....I sorta think, for the monster and lightning anyway, thats MUCH more of a problem if you're doing interstates/freeways at 80mph. If you're doing 2 lane highways or anything around 55-60mph I really can't tell the difference between a naked bike and any of the new generation sportbikes (they all have super tiny bodywork & windscreens anyway). So if you're doing 200+ miles of caynon roads it's not going to be much of a problem in my opinion (although try it out on test rides yourself) as if you were doing 80mph on the 405 for 3 hours.
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geof
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Posted: 01/30/06
02:40 PM
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Dude,
You are simply discussing numbers. I'm talking handling, drivability etc. Try updating your info and read SR Dec 05, along with many other naked comparisons. The Triple is the favorite all the way, for several reasons... Though it is not without some "issues" they ALL have issues. Every bike does. If talking pure performance window and usage, the Buell just falls short. Sorry, but true. NOT flaming BS. Again I'm not trying to bust on the Buell, just putting out my observation, which happens to be similar to that of many others...
BTW the comparison in SR Dec 05 is of the S3, Duc S4R, the Buell XB12Ss (not the R, it still falls short), the BMW K1200r, and the Aprilia Tuono R.
I do agree that any of the nakeds are tough to ride for super long mileage at 80+ MPH. But any long, moderate speed ride is really no big deal. The only time riding my bike gets funky is at high speeds with a signifcant cross wind. If your helmet fits well and is pretty aero, the naked isn't too bad. But if your helmet is loose and lifts or gets buffeted then it's tiresome. All of them have a bit of front fairing available, and even the little eyebrow available for the S3 is fairly effective. So, I wouldn't worry about that too much, unless the majority of your riding is straight line highway stuff. In which case it really wouldn't matter too much which bike you choose.
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enp83
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Posted: 01/30/06
03:27 PM
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You are simply discussing numbers. I'm talking handling, drivability etc.
I'm not simply talking numbers, but those are the only things found on sportriders website...Buells have never been about "numbers". The XB is one of the best handling bikes out there, even some of British bike mags (who favor Triumphs) pick it as one of the best handling bikes currently available. The XBs handle well right out of the box, the Monsters on the other hand need a bit of tweaking if you want to get aggressive with them.
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Try updating your info and read SR Dec 05
Sorry but ShortRider said he was looking at the NEW S2R, which uses the 2 valve air cooled 1000DS engine (or 802cc 2v a/c)...NOT the 4 valve liquid cooled engine found in the S4R in the 12/05 SR article. When you update your info make sure you're talking about the same bike....
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The Triple is the favorite all the way
As I said...
"The new speed triple will blow either bike away in the motor department, hands down, no question, no discussion." Handling and drivability, none of the three bikes in this thread outshine the other, it's just comes down to preference of the rider. It's like trying to argue which handles better a GSXR600 or R6, half the people say the R6 because its more flickable and the other half will say the GSXR because its more stable. It also depends on if the rider prefers the feel of the no slop belt drive over the brief indirect feel of a chain as you crack open the throttle.
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If talking pure performance window and usage, the Buell just falls short.
As I said previously, in the motor department it falls short of the liquid cooled triple, but NOT of the Ducati.
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Sorry, but true. NOT flaming BS. Again I'm not trying to bust on the Buell, just putting out my observation, which happens to be similar to that of many others...
Theres a lot of Buell haters out there, shocking, pelase wait a minute while I stop the presses.... Ofcourse an air-cooled 2 valve per cylinder V-twin is going to make less power than a 4v liquid cooled triple/inline four/v-twin. Handling and drivability the Buell is on par with any of the bikes you mentioned, even though most of them are more expensive to buy and maintain.
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BTW the comparison in SR Dec 05 is of the S3, Duc S4R, the Buell XB12Ss (not the R, it still falls short), the BMW K1200r, and the Aprilia Tuono R.
$10,000 Triumph Speed Triple
$10,500 Buell XB12Ss
$10,000 Ducati S2R1000 (I'll leave out the cost of adjust the valves, replacing the timing belts <on the Ducati>, chains & drive sprockets.)
Pretty pricey competition you're trying to put it up against...
$13,500 Ducati S4R
$14,300 BMW K1200R
$13,000 Aprilia Tuono R
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