Counter Steer or Not

I keep hearing different things about counter-steering.  Some say to do it, and some say it's not the best way to turn.  So I tried both out.  The first time I hit the curve doing about 105 with the counter-steer with no problem.  The second time around I tried it with just trying to push the bike into the curve, I almost went off the road.  Does anyone else out there have some input on their experience?  I was doing this on a back country road hardly anyone uses, except other bikers.  

When you said "...trying to push the bike into the curve, I

almost went off the road", I assume you mean by applying

pressure to the tank with your (L) knee while applying down-

ward pressure on (R) foot peg in a right hand turn?  

I didn't even think it (counter steering) was debatable anymore?  

I have to agree with enp83.  

"Keeping your inside elbow locked, and using the weight of your upper body on that arm to countersteer is a common lazy habit. This prevents you from making small steering corrections, and limits your control of the motorcycle"

that is a copy from a riding tip I read about.  The only way I can think of when not countersteering is if your going into a turn while doing the speed limit.  On fun rides I use countersteer and put weight on my tank and inside peg.  If I did'nt, things would get ugly.  

I still think even at "legal speeds" counter steering is definately the way to go, just a little nudge forward on that "inside" bar instead of trying to throw a bunch of weight around.  

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I didn't even think it (counter steering) was debatable anymore?

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Think again...

http://www.sport-touring.net/cgi-bin/msg...30913;&#top

A good(?) read if you have some time on your hands (i.e., bored at work or somesuch).

 

Yeah I'm not going to read every post through the 6+ pages lol.  I wish everyone could try Keith Codes "NO BS Machine" bike.

http://www.superbikeschool.com/machinery/no-bs-machine.php  

Hell, I even counter-steer on my dirt bike now.    

lol i dunno about all that.  I tried it on a mountainn bike during a vacation in CO last summer and you can do it I guess, but you do it for like a nanosecond and your bike starts to fall over.  Good for a race track/paved roads, maybe bad on a light weight mountain bike on an unpaved mountain.  

Hey guys , long time no post. The way I see it , there is no "counter steering" when it comes to motorcycling. Yes , you do have to steer in reverse when going over a certain speed but it's just steering! That's how it works.To ride a motorcycle at any decent speed you just HAVE to do it. It shouldn't be an issue. DANG!  

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        1. In a contrary manner or direction.

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S6X, read this.

http://www.superbikeschool.com/machinery/no-bs-machine.php  

heck, how can you ride anything two wheels without countersteering?  I've ridden bicycles since I was 4 and motorcycles for the last 3 years.  

Yes, you can body steer; just take your hands off the handles bars (remember riding with no hands as a kid?) and use your body weight to cause the bike to turn.  As you can see though, it's not very quick...

When you're riding, it's combination of using steering and body weight to make the bike do what you want to do.  

Dude, everyone, anywhere, on any street bike countersteers.  It's not something that you think about, it's just done.  Usually as a combination with weight transfers.  But still, it's not even something that takes concentration, it's just done sub conciously.  Atleast that's my experience. Late