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zyglob
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Posted: 10/16/05 10:09 AM
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Lamborghini Diablo vs. Ducati 999 (and bear in mind the Ducati 999 is not even as powerful as a 4 cylinder Japanese liter bike!) http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx...p;kw=26&p=0
And who says the SV650 is not fun? Check this guy out: http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx...p;kw=25&p=6 Now I wish I had kept my SV650 just to do stunts like that! (or try anyway LOL)
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Posted: 10/23/05 01:32 AM
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doesnt look good, but here are some videos of our two wheel brothers getting their a$$ kicked by moded cages. haybusa and r1 are the victims...
http://toprpm.com/eng/videos.htm
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geof
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Posted: 10/23/05 11:45 AM
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doesnt look good, but here are some videos of our two wheel brothers getting their a$$ kicked by moded cages. haybusa and r1 are the victims...
http://toprpm.com/eng/videos.htm
Oh, I don't know, you put a couple of pro drag racers on those bikes, I bet the outcome would be a bit different. The cars are fast though!!
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zyglob
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Posted: 10/23/05 12:32 PM
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Well the first video is really a testament to how fast even a second string sport bike is compared to a car that you have to spend loads of money on to even get that fast. To get cars to go as fast as even a $11,000 bike, the amount of money goes up exponentially.
I like cars--I even take mine to track days and it's great fun. But in the end motorcycles RULE!
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wheelspin
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Posted: 10/23/05 05:25 PM
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haybusa and r1 are the victims...
of riders astride them demonstrating a severe lack of riding skill...
The only time a production car will win an acceleration contest are roll-ons from above 120mph, where outright hp plays the major role, or a 60 ft. dragrace, due to the weight transfer (wheelies) tendency of the bike. Otherwise, a literbike (or Busa/12R) should absolutely eviscerate any production automobile...
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Spyke
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Posted: 10/24/05 08:36 AM
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Hey after the vid of the Ducati and the Lambo they said they were going to put another car up against it...anyone have that video? I'd be interested to see who came out on top
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DrPOP
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Posted: 10/24/05 11:36 AM
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Believe me, none of those cars were regular production models but all highly tuned street racers.
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Spyke
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Posted: 10/24/05 12:02 PM
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Mosler MT900S 48.82 secs Ducati 999 (bike) 49.25 secs Noble M400 49.54 secs Lamborghini Gallardo 49.69 secs BMW M3 CSL 50.08 secs Lotus Elise 111R 51.89 secs Vauxhall VX220 Turbo 51.96 secs Mitsubishi EVO MR FQ-400 52.03 secs BMW M3 52.08 secs BMW Z4 3.0i SE 53.03 secs Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG 53.87 secs Vauxhall Monaro V8 54.06 secs Mercedes-Benz SLK55 AMG 54.23 secs Honda Civic Type-R (facelift) 54.29 secs Renault Clio 182 54.56 secs Porsche Boxster 2.7 (986) 54.60 secs Ford Focus RS 54.60 secs Honda Civic Type-R (pre-facelift) 54.90 secs MG ZT 4.6 V8 55.60 secs BMW X5 4.8iS 55.67 secs Seat Leon Cupra R (210 bhp) 56.00 secs Mini Cooper S Convertible 56.37 secs Citroen C2 GT 56.50 secs Porsche Cayenne S 56.67 secs Ford SportKa 57.00 secs
These are the standings from the shootout...subsequently they were all production cars that anyone can go out and buy...well at least the bottom half...i don't exactly have $100,000 to spend on a car
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zyglob
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Posted: 10/24/05 06:07 PM
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Something tells me that if they tested the new Gixxer 1000, it would be at the top of the list. I don't know why they are stuck on the Ducati 999 which is inferior to any of the Japanese 4--oh that's right--they're Eurotrash LOL
One thing can be said: It takes a hell of a lot more skill to ride a motorcycle fast around a track than drive a car. We all know that. That's why a motorcycle wouldn't do so good against all of those fast/expensive cars if the rider was just average. Almost any monkey can drive a sports car well enough to beat an average motorcyclist (on a road course--not a drag strip).
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wheelspin
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Posted: 10/25/05 07:59 AM
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Believe me, none of those cars were regular production models but all highly tuned street racers.
And that makes a difference because...?
It doesn't matter how "modded" the motor is or how fat the rear tires are. The only "street cars" capable of running with a properly-ridden literbike in a dragrace other than the scenarios I pointed out earlier would be purpose-built drag cars.
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geof
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Posted: 10/25/05 11:43 AM
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I'm totally with wheelspin on this. Not a chance any car ESPECIALLY a Ricer even with NOS is going to take one of those big bikes, with a rider that knows what they are doing!!
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DrPOP
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Posted: 10/25/05 11:47 AM
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I beg to differ Wheelspin, There is documented test in which hyper exotics, such as the the new Bugatti Veryon 16.4 (Car and Driver November 2005) demonstrate superbike-like acceleration in both quarter mile and 0-60 mph. Also, my original reply to you was in response to your "The only time a production car will win an acceleration contest are roll-ons from above 120mph, where outright hp plays the major role, or a 60 ft. dragrace, due to the weight transfer (wheelies) tendency of the bike. Otherwise, a literbike (or Busa/12R) should absolutely eviscerate any production automobile..." statement. So again, none of those vehicles in the vids were production cars but seriously "modded" cars as you so eloquently put it. I am not going to even get into the argument that only purposed built drag cars can outrun a liter bike (even though there are people out there who do own sub 10 second daily drivers, albeit extreme ones, that actually don't come equiped with parachuttes and wheelie bars). So my advice to you would be to stick to what you know know best, from reading through most of the discussion threads you have great knowledge of all things motorcyclish, but in this instance Wheelspin, you are doing just that; spinning your wheels. Oh, and congrats to your use of the word "eviscerate"; that has become my vocabulary word of the day.
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zyglob
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Posted: 10/25/05 12:10 PM
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Well, you caught Wheelspin on a technicality. Sure, a "hyper exotic" will be able to beat a bike 1/4 mile AND on a road course, but with that Bugatti costing 1.2 million dollars and the term "production" being VERY loosely tossed around--I consider that a technicality as well.
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DrPOP
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Posted: 10/25/05 12:31 PM
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technicality or not it is still fact. Plus, I am not arguing that 99% of sports, exotic, or tuner cars may be subject to evisceration when in a drag race with a liter-size + motorcycle. Believe me I know. I ride a 750 and have not encountered any vehicle that could keep up with me in a drag race. BUT, one ought not use the words never,ever, all, any, etc. because of course there will be exceptions to the rule. My original post mearly stated that those were not production vehicles because they were not. And if you do a little research you will find that there are certain cost-not-an option vehicles (yes, even rice burners) w/ AWD and huge turbo/intercoller/NOS combos as well as a plethora of other modifications that will run sub 10 second (or close to it) quarter miles. I don't think anyone can argue that. Also, you will find them costing less than 1.2 miliion. But if it were me I would stay in the 99 percentile catergory and spend 10-15K on something that would be just as quik. Now for all you Tarzans out there, please, quit swinging from wheelspins nutsack; he is well versed and fully aware of how to disassemble someone on a technicality all by his self.
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wheelspin
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Posted: 10/25/05 03:01 PM
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There is documented test in which hyper exotics, such as the the new Bugatti Veryon 16.4 (Car and Driver November 2005) demonstrate superbike-like acceleration in both quarter mile and 0-60 mph.
You want "facts, technicality or not", you got'em . Yeah, I read that C&D story too, and if you'd actually read it as well, you'd have seen that it wasn't a "documented test" as you so eloquently put it, but a "preview", with the performance ratings chart noted as "C/D estimated". And while the estimated 10.8 @ 140mph quarter-mile is impressive, it still doesn't compare very well to the mid-9s @ 145mph+ numbers of literbikes/Busas/ZX-12Rs...
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Also, my original reply to you was in response to your "The only time a production car will win an acceleration contest are roll-ons from above 120mph, where outright hp plays the major role, or a 60 ft. dragrace, due to the weight transfer (wheelies) tendency of the bike. Otherwise, a literbike (or Busa/12R) should absolutely eviscerate any production automobile..." statement. So again, none of those vehicles in the vids were production cars but seriously "modded" cars as you so eloquently put it.
Right, and so my reply was "what's the difference?" Big deal, so they were modified production automobiles. How do you know how "seriously tuned" those cars were? Were you there?
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I am not going to even get into the argument that only purposed built drag cars can outrun a liter bike (even though there are people out there who do own sub 10 second daily drivers, albeit extreme ones, that actually don't come equiped with parachuttes and wheelie bars).
I'm ready when you are. If you want to talk about modified vehicles, I know plenty of rider/bike combinations that tread just as much on the line of street legality and the definition of "daily driving" that will do low 8s and even high 7s. Have you ever ridden in a 9-second car? (and no, it doesn't take "parachutes and wheelie bars" to turn only 9s...) And seen what it takes to get down to those times? Look at the Bugatti Veyron; here's a $1.3 million car that has over 1000 hp with the benefit of AWD and the latest technology-- yet it is estimated that it will only do high 10s...
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So my advice to you would be to stick to what you know know best, from reading through most of the discussion threads you have great knowledge of all things motorcyclish, but in this instance Wheelspin, you are doing just that; spinning your wheels.
You're not doing a very good job of following your own advice...
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Oh, and congrats to your use of the word "eviscerate"; that has become my vocabulary word of the day.
Hey, I can't help it if you don't play Scrabble once in a while...
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