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Griff Griff
New User | Posts: 6 | Joined: 09/05
Posted: 09/29/05
12:10 PM

Is it a big difference between the 05'gsxr600 and the  05'sv650s. As far as power, handling, acceleration, ride comfort, and just overall quality?  

 
realfastbill realfastbill
Enthusiast | Posts: 400 | Joined: 08/05
Posted: 09/29/05
12:35 PM

Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
and
Yes.  

 
Spyke Spyke
User | Posts: 246 | Joined: 09/05
Posted: 09/29/05
01:57 PM

I thought about a 650 for my first bike until i rode a 600. The 650 felt dumpy and sluggish  

 
Griff Griff
New User | Posts: 6 | Joined: 09/05
Posted: 09/29/05
03:42 PM

I ask because I have ridden my sv650 for a year now. Now I want a GSXR, either a 600 or 750. I thougght about the 750 because I have sv650 already. But people are comparing the 750 to the 1000,and I know a 1000 is to much for me. I want to keep this next bike for awhile. Use for twisties, around town, and hopefully soon track days. The 06' models are the ones I'm looking at, they're sick!  

 
enp83 enp83
Enthusiast | Posts: 361 | Joined: 02/05
Posted: 09/29/05
08:08 PM

Try and get a ride on someones 600, let them ride your SV.  You'll probably find 600s anemic at legal speeds around town compared to your SV.  The SV has noticable shorter gearing and much better power downlow and in it's midrange, all things you want on the street.  Not saying 600s aren't great bikes or that you can't have fun with on on the street, but you will notice the difference when just cruising around town.  I always tell people the SV's motor is better than a 600s for anything below highway speeds.  Really, try and ride a 600 before you buy one.  No doubt the GSXR will have better suspension, brakes and top end, but how often will you use that top end?  You can probably do 75mph in 1st gear on a GSXR600, (correct me if I'm wrong) so if you're at 7k rpms in first gear you're probably doing 35mph...I didn't think 600s had any kind of a fun punch at 7k in first gear, nevermind higher gears.  

 
realfastbill realfastbill
Enthusiast | Posts: 400 | Joined: 08/05
Posted: 09/30/05
06:22 AM

Quote:

I didn't think 600s had any kind of a fun punch at 7k in first gear, nevermind higher gears.




7k in first gear and my front wheel is over my head on a modern 600.  

 
Griff Griff
New User | Posts: 6 | Joined: 09/05
Posted: 09/30/05
09:49 AM

Please excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by fun punch? Do you guys think the 750 would be a litttle more fulfilling. Just take it slow and work at it, like I did the sv650. ("Ride my own ride")  

 
enp83 enp83
Enthusiast | Posts: 361 | Joined: 02/05
Posted: 09/30/05
01:46 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I didn't think 600s had any kind of a fun punch at 7k in first gear, nevermind higher gears.




7k in first gear and my front wheel is over my head on a modern 600.



I know my YZF600R wasn't exciting at that rpm and the last 600 I rode was an '01 GSXR600 with PCIII/exhaust etc...didn't have anything for me at 7K, atleast nothing I'd consider to be decent thrust.  Front wheel over your head at 7k on a 600?  Maybe if you "on/off/on" it, and even then it's not going to jump up too easily/fast on ya...I'm sure you could get it up at 7K but my SV650 can be brought up by doing "on/off/on" at just 2,500rpms...and I don't think it has great get up and go when I open it up from that low a RPM.  

 
realfastbill realfastbill
Enthusiast | Posts: 400 | Joined: 08/05
Posted: 10/02/05
09:59 AM

An '05 636 probably has 10-15 more HP than that gixxer you rode and nearly as much as a '98 Gixxer 750 and more than a '98 CBR900RR. It also weighs 40-50 lbs less. 600's have come a loooong way in the last few years.  

 
max600 max600
New User | Posts: 44 | Joined: 11/99
Posted: 10/02/05
12:52 PM

Quote:

I ask because I have ridden my sv650 for a year now. Now I want a GSXR, either a 600 or 750. I thougght about the 750 because I have sv650 already. But people are comparing the 750 to the 1000,and I know a 1000 is to much for me. I want to keep this next bike for awhile. Use for twisties, around town, and hopefully soon track days. The 06' models are the ones I'm looking at, they're sick!




If you didn't already know the answer to your first question then I would recommend holding off on the 750 for a while. The GSXR 600 is a good step up from the SV.  

 
scorpion scorpion
User | Posts: 85 | Joined: 08/05
Posted: 10/02/05
04:58 PM

i say either stick with the 650 or go with the 600.  the 750 is an insane jump.
right now you;re riding something w/ 79 bhp.  the 600 is going to make somewhere near 110 bhp while the 750 is around 130bhp.  
your ergos are TOTALLY different on the 600 vrs the 650, and if you get to ride one you'll notice the difference almost immediately.  
i recenly got to ride both my neighbors 05 gsxr 600 and my buddies 04 636.  compared to my f4i power is up and handling is totally different.  not to mention that the same throttle input on my f4i gave a total different feel on the other 2 bikes....  

 
enp83 enp83
Enthusiast | Posts: 361 | Joined: 02/05
Posted: 10/02/05
05:56 PM

The '03-'05 SV650S has almost identicle ergos to GSXRs, tons of mags say the 2nd gen SVS have "gixxer like" ergos.  The first generation SVs have more relaxed ergos.  I really don't think a 600 is a big jump from the SV650, yes on paper the 600s have a lot more horsepower but they're all uptop, you dont get to use them as much and I really don't think they're uncontrolable.  It's a step up in horsepower and brake/suspension quality but it's not a big leap up imo, just a different type of machine, almost a side step in some instances.  My bike before the SV was a YZF600R and I've had a good amount of seat time on a F4i and GSXR600.

'05 ZX6R 10-15 more hp than an '01 GSXR600?  I can agree with that, but then again it's not really a true "600".  40-50lbs less, no way(if you mean compared to the '01 GSXR600).  SR listed an '01 and '03 (same gen) GSXR600 at 423lbs and an '03 and '04 ZX6R at 418lbs (and the '05 supposedly gained a couple pounds).  It's not like an '01 GSXR600 (first year for F.I. on 'em) is going to be all docile at 7k and then an '05 is gonna take off like a bandit.  Just my opinion.  

 
realfastbill realfastbill
Enthusiast | Posts: 400 | Joined: 08/05
Posted: 10/03/05
05:28 AM

I was refering to the Gixxer 750 and CBR900 when I said 40-50lbs less.

Also, with respect dude, unitl you ride one of the '04 or '05 600's. You really can't speculate on the impovement since '01. It really is light years difference. The 600's have made a huge step starting in '04.  

 
enp83 enp83
Enthusiast | Posts: 361 | Joined: 02/05
Posted: 10/03/05
08:49 AM



2003 shootout dyno.

'01 GSXR600 same as '03 GSXR600 used in this comparison.
'03 R6, '03 600RR and '03 ZX6R are basically the exact same as the '04 R6, '04 600RR and '04 ZX6R.  It looks like at 7,000 rpms the '01-'03 GSXR600 makes as much horsepower as the '03-04 R6,ZX6R,600RR.

That old outdated '01-'03 generation GSXR600 made the more torque than the newer '03-'04 gen R6, 600RR and ZX6R.



Light years must be kinda small then?  The newer bikes start to show their advantage above 11.5k, but I was talking about the midrange of a 600 being extremely boring on the street compared to a SV's.  

 
drewser600 drewser600
New User | Posts: 20 | Joined: 06/04
Posted: 10/03/05
08:54 AM

seriously enp slow your roll a little. to say that you can't have any fun on a 600 unless you're doing highway speeds is kinda an ingnorat thing to say. you're making us op boys sound kinda dumb in my opinion. 06 gsxr would certainly be an adequate up grade to an sv650. i had an 03 r6 and you could easily do a roll on power wheelie at 30 mph well below highway speeds, and for cruising on the street it was great. feed a good amount of throttle in an average corner in 2nd gear and the rear would brake loose, but it was a controlable spin. if you have a serious problem with the lack of thrust at lower speeds you could always drop a few teeth up front or pic up a few in the rear but good luck keeping the front end down at about 40-50 mph in first. the 750 would be a great machine and trust me you can get in plenty of trouble with either one. the r1 is a blast and it's acceleration from about 50 on up is mind blowing, but i will be the first to admit that blow 50 the r6 was just slightly more fun to drive on the street. I was just a little more confident because when the rear broke loose in a corner it was much more controlable i've been on the r1 for 11k now and i still haven't mastered a contoled slide on it. it just so much torqier. anyway just my 2 cents worth.  

 
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