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Please go read benchracing on the sportrider home page.But first I'm going to tell all you guys a personel story that I think all newbies should read. I just bought a brand new CBR600RR a few weeks ago.  I'm 18 and its my first bike so some of you can already start making assunptions.  
   Before getting my bike I would always read those stories about sportbikes.  I would listen to the older guys at the gas station talk about sport bikes.  You know the stories I'm talking about.  I clutch em up all the time dude,  I'v takin my R1 to red in the first three gears on the street. bla bla bla.  Sounds great, right.  Just amagine all you guys, you get a hot sport bike, do all that outragious stuff you hear about.  Impress all those hot chicks.
    Yeh Dad its only a 600.  S h i t let me tell all you newbies 600's are sooo F U C K ing fast.  When that SOB hits 7500RPM, starts making that sucking sound you could listen to all day(you guys with 600rr's are all getting hard ons thinking about it), your thinking holy lord I'm doing this on a public street.. I'm doing this on a public street.  At that point you have two choices, 1. Grab second and see what that MoFo's got, or and this is what always happens to me 2. Let your nuts shrink up inside, admit your a *** and clutch and break.
     Every day I would take my bike out I'd try to go faster and faster, making cleaner shifts and taking it to higher RPM's.  Taking that corner two blocks from where I live faster and faster thinking i'd be rossie or hayden some day, bringing up the front wheel 1 or 2 feet to impress those incredibly hot chicks I'd die for.
Then all of a sudden I realized something. Who am i trying to be. I'm going to go till I kill myself. Who am I trying to impress anyways? those guys on the sportrider forum, those dicks at the gas station.  I got into riding for all the wrong reasons.  God what a high priced mistake.  Let me tell all you guys something. You will hear all the best reasons for riding or buying a bike from the guys who ride Ninja 250's SV650,s and cruisers.  90% of the sport bike talk is BS.  A couple days ago I realized something I was riding for all those editors, chicks, guys on the sportrider forum, not myself.I was riding for that buzz and hit of adrenalin.  I was so busy trying to be a racer wanna bee or stunter i missed all the right reasons for buying a bike.  Guess what, the last couple days have been the best riding days I'v had in my life and i havn't even had the motor above 6000.  What I'm trying to tell all you newbies is don't buy a bike for the reasons i bought a bike.  Buy them for the reasons guys buy 250 ninjas and 50 cc dirt bikes.  Once you start riding for yourself you'll find out what riding is all about, youll get the spirituall end of it.  Will I ever take my bike to red in the first 2 or 3 gears on the street? Probably, but not because some hack on the sportrider forum told me to, but because I want to get the [censored] scared out of me. Peace Out guys.  And to all you guys who want a bike but cant afford it buy a small bike like a 250. I'm now in love with my RR, but wouldn't have regreted buying a 250 knowing what i know now, cause I know I would have had my rr sooner than later.. Also dont sweat over which bike to buy,  get the latest and greatest or someting from the 80's, but do it because you want it. It doesnt matter just get a bike, ride it and roll with it baby.  

I don't believe there are all that many hacks on the sportrider forum.
Glad you realised what you were doing before you became a statistic Goose.  

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A couple days ago I realized something I was riding for all those editors...

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Please go read benchracing on the sportrider home page.But first I'm going to tell all you guys a personel story that I think all newbies should read. I just bought a brand new CBR600RR a few weeks ago.  I'm 18 and its my first bike so some of you can already start making assunptions.  
   Before getting my bike I would always read those stories about sportbikes.  I would listen to the older guys at the gas station talk about sport bikes.  You know the stories I'm talking about.  I clutch em up all the time dude,  I'v takin my R1 to red in the first three gears on the street. bla bla bla.  Sounds great, right.  Just amagine all you guys, you get a hot sport bike, do all that outragious stuff you hear about.  Impress all those hot chicks.
    Yeh Dad its only a 600.  S h i t let me tell all you newbies 600's are sooo F U C K ing fast.  When that SOB hits 7500RPM, starts making that sucking sound you could listen to all day(you guys with 600rr's are all getting hard ons thinking about it), your thinking holy lord I'm doing this on a public street.. I'm doing this on a public street.  At that point you have two choices, 1. Grab second and see what that MoFo's got, or and this is what always happens to me 2. Let your nuts shrink up inside, admit your a *** and clutch and break.
     Every day I would take my bike out I'd try to go faster and faster, making cleaner shifts and taking it to higher RPM's.  Taking that corner two blocks from where I live faster and faster thinking i'd be rossie or hayden some day, bringing up the front wheel 1 or 2 feet to impress those incredibly hot chicks I'd die for.
Then all of a sudden I realized something. Who am i trying to be. I'm going to go till I kill myself. Who am I trying to impress anyways? those guys on the sportrider forum, those dicks at the gas station.  I got into riding for all the wrong reasons.  God what a high priced mistake.  Let me tell all you guys something. You will hear all the best reasons for riding or buying a bike from the guys who ride Ninja 250's SV650,s and cruisers.  90% of the sport bike talk is BS.  A couple days ago I realized something I was riding for all those editors, chicks, guys on the sportrider forum, not myself.I was riding for that buzz and hit of adrenalin.  I was so busy trying to be a racer wanna bee or stunter i missed all the right reasons for buying a bike.  Guess what, the last couple days have been the best riding days I'v had in my life and i havn't even had the motor above 6000.  What I'm trying to tell all you newbies is don't buy a bike for the reasons i bought a bike.  Buy them for the reasons guys buy 250 ninjas and 50 cc dirt bikes.  Once you start riding for yourself you'll find out what riding is all about, youll get the spirituall end of it.  Will I ever take my bike to red in the first 2 or 3 gears on the street? Probably, but not because some hack on the sportrider forum told me to, but because I want to get the [censored] scared out of me. Peace Out guys.  And to all you guys who want a bike but cant afford it buy a small bike like a 250. I'm now in love with my RR, but wouldn't have regreted buying a 250 knowing what i know now, cause I know I would have had my rr sooner than later.. Also dont sweat over which bike to buy,  get the latest and greatest or someting from the 80's, but do it because you want it. It doesnt matter just get a bike, ride it and roll with it baby.

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oops my point was is you should check your ego at the door before you go in the garage to hop on your bike. cause a big ego, and immaturity will get you killed. and show some self restraint, cause my opinions always been that these bikes can be good beginner bikes. but not for people that have the mindset you did when you first started. the people with that mindset are better off buying a bus pass.  

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...someone made a good point the other day, i forgot where it was but it was like this someone was arguing about these new bikes not being suitable to learn on. and someone said " people can learn to drive in vettes which are a high performance machine. and people use vettes as daily drivers but at the end of the day you dont see them racing them around everywhere."  

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Your right gickyard there arn't that many hacks on SP. Sorry. Alot of the guys on SP have probably saved lives seriousley,  It means alot to a new rider (like me) to hear from someone with a Sport Bike its not cool to do 120 on residential streets.   To mr Green blood.  your right too.  The point i was trying to make (much like the story Benchracing on the SP home page i told you guys to read)is alot of the guys that talk to me and are interested in riding only care about the Image. Its like there is a pressure that comes with a sport bike.  You have to whellie or go 0 to 60 in 3 flat.   I wanted to tell others not to do this crap unless the conditions permit or they have the skill to tap the potential of the bike, which they usually don't.    Hell, on the home page there is some guy(0 to 60 in 2.5 sec) asking about getting a sportbike cause he heard they are fast.  To that guy 0 to 60 in 2.5 is all that guy is interested in.There you heard it from the horses mouth-the kid said  0 th 60 in  3 sec for only 8 grand.  These are the guys i was trying to get through to. Jesus i sounded just like that kid 3 months ago, hell he is probably older than me.  There are alot of young guys out there with the same mindset I had/have.  I am just trying to tell them that isn't what sport riding is.  You think that 0 to 60 in 2.5 sec dude is thinking about a 250, [censored] hes thinking R6, CBR-RR, ect..  

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...someone made a good point the other day, i forgot where it was but it was like this someone was arguing about these new bikes not being suitable to learn on. and someone said " people can learn to drive in vettes which are a high performance machine. and people use vettes as daily drivers but at the end of the day you dont see them racing them around everywhere."  

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That doesn't prove anything. The reason you don't see hordes of Vettes getting stacked up in crashes everywhere is because you rarely have a 16-year-old who just got his license owning a new Corvette, since there's no way they could afford the car and insurance payments. If they could, it would be practically guaranteed that you'd "see them racing around everywhere". And the number of accidents involving that car would go up (hence the reason there's a big crackdown on modified "import" cars, due to the illegal dragracing that goes on with them. The cars are a lot more affordable than a Corvette.).

Meanwhile, it's comparatively easy for a newbie to afford a literbike that would blow the doors off the Vette in most any acceleration contest below 130 mph. Unfortunately, it has a tire contact patch that's a fraction of the Vette's, it doesn't have "vehicle stability control" or ABS, no airbags, and takes a lot more skill to pilot properly.

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also this doesnt mean that everyone can learn to ride on a 600. like i said its dependent on the person own skills and mentality. its like learning to ride a bike. almost everyone learns to do it with training wheels and almost everyone does it at different ages. just because i learned to ride a bike at age 2 with no training wheels ever doesnt mean that joe schmoe will be able to do it too. but any reasonable mature person, who isnt hell bent on going tripple digits every chance they get can fair well learning on a 600. does that mean they arent gonna drop it? no. does it mean they not gonna make a few mistakes here and there? no. but theyll be able to ride it with out killing themselves. and in my opinion, which is all this has been my opinion so if you dont like it deal with it cause i respect your opinion anyways, is that for most people if they buy a new nice vehicle be it a car or motorcylce. they want to baby it and take care of it and show more caution when using it. someone driving a dented beat up 89 honda wont really give a [censored] about ruining it more than a kid driving a new eclipse or something now will they?  

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...someone made a good point the other day, i forgot where it was but it was like this someone was arguing about these new bikes not being suitable to learn on. and someone said " people can learn to drive in vettes which are a high performance machine. and people use vettes as daily drivers but at the end of the day you dont see them racing them around everywhere."  

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That doesn't prove anything. The reason you don't see hordes of Vettes getting stacked up in crashes everywhere is because you rarely have a 16-year-old who just got his license owning a new Corvette, since there's no way they could afford the car and insurance payments. If they could, it would be practically guaranteed that you'd "see them racing around everywhere". And the number of accidents involving that car would go up (hence the reason there's a big crackdown on modified "import" cars, due to the illegal dragracing that goes on with them. The cars are a lot more affordable than a Corvette.).

Meanwhile, it's comparatively easy for a newbie to afford a literbike that would blow the doors off the Vette in most any acceleration contest below 130 mph. Unfortunately, it has a tire contact patch that's a fraction of the Vette's, it doesn't have "vehicle stability control" or ABS, no airbags, and takes a lot more skill to pilot properly.

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ok well it makes since to me cause one of the first cars i drove was my uncles 68 vette. and my next car which was mine was a 72 firebird. you can own a powerfull car without racing it everywhere. you might not be able to cause you have the impulse control of a add plauged kid. but for those of us who are mature. we can drive around 8 seccond cars with out feeling the need to do stop light racing. people that feel that need to do stop light racing and what not shouldnt have the right to be on a bike to begin with. like i said you can learn on them. you just cant be an immature dumbass like some people. i mean if you learn to drive in a 3 cylinder geo that doesnt mean you arent gonna speed or do something stupid. theres just less of a chance for you to do something stupid. and its not gonna happen as fast. its not the machine that makes mistakes usualy. its the arrogant dumbass riding it. so like i said which does prove a point. you can learn on a liter bike if you wanted to. you just cant be an immature little punk. which the world seems to be plagued with no days.

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Once again, you missed my point completely. I'm not talking about you or me, I'm referring to the fact that most newbie riders are young people in their teens or early 20s, with a lot of testosterone and bravado in their blood. So your first car was a "'72 Firebird" and you didn't crash it, good for you; unfortunately, the majority of today's cars (and bikes) have performance capabilities that are way beyond that-- luckily, the financial requirements for owning a new Corvette or other high-performance car is out of the reach of the vast majority of this group. Unfortunately, the difference between a 600 and a literbike is a lot smaller than a Geo and a Corvette, so it's a lot easier for a person to buy a bike that is way beyond their capabilities which require far more skill than any car to pilot. Sure, a newb can ride a literbike, but will he learn much after riding for a few years, versus someone who made some steps along the way? Not likely.

Let's look at it this way: If you put a beginner motocross rider on a 250, I can guarantee you that after a year, he will be less skilled than a rider who started off on an 80 or 125, because you spend most of your time trying to keep the extra power reined in.  That is the point. Make "since"?  

yes. it made since the first time. its just theres always circumstances. for the most case people cant afford to buy a small bike and then upgrade when there skill permits it. which is why alot of people end up buying a 600 to start with. so they dont have to waste money or time selling off the old bike and finding a new one. and your right the difference between a vette and geo is greatter than that of a 600 and 1000 bike. but it was to make a point. id the person who started out on a small tame bike gonna learn more than if he started on a 600. yea he is cause like you said he wont be spending time trying to keep the power under control. but for the most part if you drive the speed limit and shift smart not holding low gears for too long theres no need to make the rpm needle venture past the 9000 rpm mark where power really starts. these machinces are pretty tame beneath 10000 rpms. im not saying people should learn on a 600. im saying they can. everyones different. for a kid who has to pay his own bills. buying a 250 or 500 then selling it and saving up again for a newer bike after is usualy out of the question. but for the majority of people theyll learn more on a 250 or 500 than anyone starting on a 600 with the same skill. somethings come natural to people somethings dont. thats why i said its all on there own personal skill and mentality. if you fnd yourself revving your engine at most stop lights when your driving a car, and burning out from stop signs and going over 75 mph on the freeway you have more of a reckless mentality and would most likely get yourself in deep trouble on a 600. but for the more saner people here. learning on a 600 is very doable (except insurance lol
) and i understand that now days the mature young people are getting fewer and fewer. so my opinion wont apply to many people. (this is to the newbs) just be honest with yourself when it comes to evaluating your maturity and skill before buying your bike. dont let your ego make you do something stupid like picking a 600 when you have a led foot (or in this case a led hand)  

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yes. it made since the first time. its just theres always circumstances.

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for the most case people cant afford to buy a small bike and then upgrade when there skill permits it. which is why alot of people end up buying a 600 to start with. so they dont have to waste money or time selling off the old bike and finding a new one.

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sorry if my spelling bothers you. but i get paid to work on cars not spell correctly. and the last part kinda confused me. is it that below 600s is the accepted starting point for newbs (which makes since) or visa versa? and i know the 250s and 500s are better start on for many reasons. lower seat height so there not as top heavy, better steering response (the steer more like bicycles and less like the supersports.) but i guess thats just the way ive learned. its always been easier for me to start on what im going to ride. and ive always found it easier to get used to what im gonna be riding right off the bat and as i get more comforatable push myself a little harder. but like i said i dont have ego problems. i dont need to go over the speed limit. i dont need to impress anyone. i just chose to start on a 600 cause it looked better and because thats what i wanted to ride to begin with. and for everyones information i leanred on a 96 zx6r. and i didnt kill myself. was insurance high? yes. did i drop it a couple of times? unfortunatly yes but i never got in over my head so i had nothing to fix except some fairings and mirrors. falling is a part of any sport unfortunatly. weather it be skating, bmx, or motorcycles. but yea i understand your points. and i understand that when speaking generaly you should say start on a 250 or 500. cause most people are strong headed testostorone (sp?) filled teens. im just trying to give an alternative for the more sane people here. so that its not everyone telling them if they dont start on a 250 or 500 that there dumb. which isnt what everyone says. but for a newb with there hearts set on a 600 supersport thats what it comes off as.  

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for the most case people cant afford to buy a small bike and then upgrade when there skill permits it. which is why alot of people end up buying a 600 to start with.

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sorry if my spelling bothers you. but i get paid to work on cars not spell correctly.

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and i know the 250s and 500s are better start on for many reasons.

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lower seat height so there not as top heavy

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better steering response (the steer more like bicycles and less like the supersports.)

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its always been easier for me to start on what im going to ride.and ive always found it easier to get used to what im gonna be riding right off the bat and as i get more comforatable push myself a little harder.

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but like i said i dont have ego problems. i dont need to go over the speed limit. i dont need to impress anyone. i just chose to start on a 600 cause it looked better and because thats what i wanted to ride to begin with. and for everyones information i leanred on a 96 zx6r. and i didnt kill myself. was insurance high? yes. did i drop it a couple of times? unfortunatly yes but i never got in over my head so i had nothing to fix except some fairings and mirrors.

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