"cheater 600's"...???

Ya-hoo... to cheat or not to cheat....that is the question! Don't usually post stuff, but I  believe this will get some good banter going on the new site... Is a 636 or a 650 or for that matter a 601 a cheater???

SM  

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Ya-hoo... to cheat or not to cheat....that is the question! Don't usually post stuff, but I  believe this will get some good banter going on the new site... Is a 636 or a 650 or for that matter a 601 a cheater???

SM

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Must....hold.....back......must.............not.................arrrrgghghghhhh!





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how's it cheating again?  Kawasaki & Triumph aren't racing their 636/646 machines against 600s, on the streets there are no displacement regulations.  I don't know if you can still say they're in the "600 class" per say but they're definately still middleweights.  

Hmmm... how about a 666cc inline-four to go with a 999cc v-twin sportbike?

Some numerology to think about...    

Some clubs rules allow 640cc fours to race.

MIDDLEWEIGHT SUPERSPORT (Amateur & Expert Divisions)
Single cylinder, Unlimited displacement
Two stroke, liquid cooled, up to 515cc
Two stroke, air cooled, Unlimited displacement
Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, up to 800cc
Twin cylinder, air cooled, Unlimited displacement
Three cylinder, up to 980cc
Four cylinder, liquid cooled, up to 640cc
Four cylinder, air cooled, 2 valve, up to 775cc

So it looks like Kaw marketing did their homework, and
it's not cheating. Of special note, note how large they
feel a twin needs to be to compete evenly with a four.  

I have to agree with you, there not cheating if there not racing. Kawasaki did their research and realized what a rider wanted in a middleweight bike "more power". 1000's are great bikes with loads of power the only really holding me back from buying one is the insurance. I only wish Kawasaki would make a 650 next, lol.  

Cheating?  I have to agree with enp83 & smason on this one.  Kawi does not race the 636, they leave that to the race version with 599cc.  Same for Triumph, they do not race the Daytona.  These bikes are made more for the street yet still to perform if the owner brings them to the track.  If I were to ever look at purchasing a middleweight I would look at the 636 Kawi first or the triumph.  

But if your looking for middleweight feel & handling with some extra grunt, just get a GSX-R750.  

No doubt, I like what is going on here. I'm hoping eventually we'll see the return of the 750 IMO the best size bike. Of course the gsxr is out there but I would love to see the others join in. I would love to see 750 machines back in the Ama.  

I really like the fact that Triumph STROKED their 599cc motor out to 646cc instead of boring it (Kawi bored their 599cc to 636cc, maybe added a little stroke but I dont think so).  If you look at the dyno charts in the magazines the Daytona 650 will have more horsepower all the way up until atleast 10k and in several charts 12,000 rpms.  So if you're riding on the street and you're not above 12,000 rpms, the daytona has the most power.  With that longer stroke motor and the most comfortable ergos, that's the "600" I would want for the street.  Triumph also stroked their speed triple motor from 955 to 1050(ish) for the new '05 model, mmmm more torque, just what a naked bike needs.  Theres a decent rumor out there that Triumph will be replacing the Daytona 650 for '06 or '07 with a 675-680cc triple, could be something interesting there.  

UMMMMMM...New speed triple!!!  Now that its stroked the extra torque should make it even more fun to ride and it wasn't lacking before.

In the latest SportBike magazine middlewieght test the 646 Daytona was tops in the roll-on tests, so yes stroking the motor did benefit it there but the 636 was still faster in 1/4 mile.  For the street the 646's torque advantage would be nice be it ever so slight.  Plus its suspension is tuned more for the street yet it could still be a hoot on the track.